people like Heidi powell and Karens used to make me shiver. probably because of their ruthlessness and their followers, as in queen bees and wannabes. the ones who still make me shiver and give me the creeps really bad are the male (or female) sex predators who parade themselves around as healers and sex magic gurus. they also train pretty young women as so called healers, exclusively for men. anybody can apply, but they only hire the attractive ones. I met an autistic man on the bi who said he was thinking about having it done. I only knew about it from watching a couple of documentaries.